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Post by Galadrie*snackle*den on May 10, 2004 17:40:09 GMT -5
Yeah... *agrees, too* *points out that the Prozac doesn't kick in for a few weeks, so she is not happy... yet =P* Hm... if you're interested in things like the meaning of life, and that sort of stuffs... look into joining polyology.proboards24.com/index.cgi. That forum has/promises to have discussions of the sort, or you can start them. =)
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Post by Amarië on May 10, 2004 17:59:39 GMT -5
Thank'ee all. Well now I shall leave you with something to ponder about, though I think I already have, also though I have no idea what it will mean to you:
If there is a begining, there must be an end.
And Mip, I'm missing the button where you play the music, I just can't find the darned thing! *wonders if she is really missing something*
can't talk much now.. will comment more later.
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Post by Marigold Gamgee on May 10, 2004 18:11:58 GMT -5
Um... yes and no. That's not actually true in all cases. It's interesting, but not always true, I'm afraid. I'm not going to say "unfortunately," because it's not really unfortunate that it's not true, now, it is?
*Points out that Prozac has made you happier just because you have it, whether or not it's technically kicked in. Ponders on the psychological benefits of medicine as well as the physical benefits.*
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Post by amarie on May 11, 2004 17:49:11 GMT -5
Actually, I think it is true in all cases, unless you can give me a specific example when its not, but then again thats only my opinion. I've written up a lot about it but I cant post it now I'll post it when I'm actually allowed to be on.
hi i am me but then again u dont know me bcuz in order to know me u would have to b me and that shall never happen no some of u actually do know me i am Pip from the chatrooms amarie is talking to me on the phone that is how u r getting this information from me but from her but from ppl if u want to consider me a person go ahead yesterday every1 thought i was dead so my coach made my friends wake me up today so they had alot of fun slapping me all morning hmmm.... anyone suggest n e thing for me to write im being told n e thing thats not workig out to well for me bcuz im not smart i am simple minded... in some situations mmm... perty flowers lalala im bored bcuz i actually finished my homework and i have nuthing to do but b online and on the phone ooo does n e 1 no what a wonder wall is bcuz its not in the dictionary but - i 4got wut i was writting- o um yes wonder walls she was staring at her wall and wondered if it was a wonder wall and i wondered what a wonder wall was and we were all wondering so i looked it up and its not there so we're still all wondering about wonder walls and about maybe more than that did u know that nifty actually means clever odd right and eternity is when u pass over to death or sumthing i dunno thats wut my dictionary said something like that maybe i dont remember but yes this has a beginning and as sadly as it may b it must come to an end bcuz everything has an end - i think so every1 has left me and i must leave now fare thee all well and mayb i shall join this ifi enjoy it enuf buhbye farewell
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Post by Marigold Gamgee on May 11, 2004 18:34:43 GMT -5
Well, you can contest this all you want. At first I didn't give an example, because of several different reasons... first because my best example is a religious one and thus a matter of belief. The thing is, people don't have to stop being friends or loving each other or whatever, even if one of them dies. I mean, just because your spouse dies, you don't usually stop loving them. The memory of them might fade, you might even re-marry, but you're not just going to stop loving that person because they're not alive anymore. Same for friendship or anything else. The religious example is the fact that Christians believe that God has always been and always will be, and also that the Kingdom of God is eternal, and we with it. So actually, by Christian belief, only earthly, material things have to have an end. Which is why it surprised me that you said that, Ala, but oh well.... Some of you probably only agree with point one, but I think even that is enough proof to go on. Thing is, and I have to laugh at myself, but whatever, I've never liked things I can't comprehend. And so since I can't fathom eternity, it bugs me. I can live with it, but it bugs me if I think about it too much, which is partially why I was avoiding proving my point (and, y'know, I could have made you try to disprove your own theorem... it would have been a good exercise). Ah well. Thanks so much for bringing up a subject that's going to nag at me... much appreciated.
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Post by Amarië on May 14, 2004 15:56:18 GMT -5
it still all makes sense to me... even the religious sense of it all works for me. I don't really have time to work up a good post now... but I will hopefully get one tomorrow. But just to give a bit now. I'm not talking about worldly things-wait, yes I am. Material things do have an end, but even in the beginning of the bible it says, 'In the beginning...' but then it goes on about God creating things, like the earth, and how the earth was dark and shapeless and he made it, but thats the beginning of the earth itself, and the earth one day will have an end, and Jesus will come and a new earth will be formed, if I have it correct. Thus, an end. Now we have a beginning and an end ourselves, but our soul does not. Our soul has been with God all this time and hopefully even after we die. Okay, thats all I'm going to say now, will get around to posting more once I get my thoughts straight and around to typing it.
EDIT: oh, yes... and all these non-earthly things have been with God all this time, whether it be just a thought he has have or something within him or something there in heaven, it has been with him...
okay, I could be completly off on this, but ya never know, I could just be understanding it all..
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Post by Marigold Gamgee on May 17, 2004 11:29:34 GMT -5
Yes, but the new earth won't have an end! So your reasoning only applies to certain instances in this period of time... Not that it's a bad theory, but I don't think it's necessarily infallible.
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Post by Amarië on May 21, 2004 15:47:11 GMT -5
ah, yes. But the new earth has always been there. Just not really there... It was always in the minds of people and God, was it not? thus, it will not have an end. But there is not a saying that whatever does not have a beginning, has an end. Just to get the other side of it there...
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Post by Marigold Gamgee on May 21, 2004 15:50:41 GMT -5
Thing is, things have beginnings, even though they were thought of before that. You thought up Rivendell, but you didn't start it immediately as you thought it up... So, I mean, when the New Earth is created, that will be the beginning of the New Earth in material form, no? Or maybe spiritual form... shall have to look into that... but if it's material, then your reasoning is defeated again, ha! Because you were fighting for all material things having an ending, it seems.... I'm enjoying poking holes in your argument. ;D
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Post by Amarië on May 21, 2004 16:02:16 GMT -5
Whatever you say, but it still make sense to me, because it was always there. It has been always there. The new earth is supposed to be for all eternity, eh? Well doesn't the defintion of eternity include the part: 'Without beginning or end'? If so, that proves my point. There was no beginning to it. It's always been there.
*is going to stab Pip if thats not in the definition*
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Post by Arwen on May 23, 2004 13:57:43 GMT -5
If something lasts forever, can it have a beggining? Is the new earth there now? Or will it be made? I'm not sure I'm following this well. Must ponder..........
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Post by Mippin on May 23, 2004 18:55:12 GMT -5
Hmm, this brings me to pondering if some things have always been... Well, if something lasts an eternity, yes? But is 'scientifically proven' to have begun at a certain time... who's to say it didn't exist in theory? In which case, could it have existed anyway? I think so. Must also ponder this...
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Post by Marigold Gamgee on May 24, 2004 11:23:46 GMT -5
I really don't think that in order to last forever, something has to necessarily be pre-existing...
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Post by Amarië on May 24, 2004 20:07:08 GMT -5
bwahahaha. It's all going as planned... *celebrates with Merry, Merry starts chewing on hand*
yes, he's been doing that lately... *wonders why* it doesn't hurt... he just chews... I think he's trying to chew me to death... because the other day, I was looking at where he chewed, and there was two punctered holes in my wrist... but they weren't really that big.. and I have no idea what else could cause that besides when he was chewing on me... *pats Merry on head* *pets Muri* don't call Muri a rat... he's not a rat...
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Post by Amarië on May 25, 2004 17:50:29 GMT -5
*sighs* here I am once again in front of the computer. I have several different things I have been meaning to talk about but haven’t taken the time to get my thoughts together or bother to type anything up… so, school has ended here, last Thursday was our last day, and I am left here bored out of my mind and too lazy to start anything… and even if I did type something up, I always forget to post it while I’m online, because I get caught up with all the posting and stuff.
Well, at least yesterday I got to do something remotely active and fun. I went to Salt Springs, the springs, not the town… Speaking of that, there is so many towns named after springs around here… it got really confusing when I first moved here… especially since there is Silver Springs, and then Salt Springs… yeah, but anyhow, I went with Pip (yeah, the one that wrote that big, long irrelevant paragraph up there… yes, that one!) to the springs. It was fun. We were chasing the mullet, wanting to touch them. Only it wasn’t working… they were too fast. But Pip got to touch on of the little ones… she said it was all confuzzled because with both of us out there chasing them, they go in all direction and get all lost. And it was right there, not doing anything, so she touched it, and it had no reaction, so she touched it a few more times, still nothing, and then after a few moments, she poked it, and it ran away. Yes, ran. And she was trying destroy some peeps scum heart… er... unscum heart… and a crab was chasing her then, and she said she gave it the e-vile eye, and it gave it back to her.. Which I don’t see how it can.. I mean, do crabs even have eyelids? And at that same time, something bit or pinched me, and I tried to see what it was, but I couldn’t see anything. I bet it was that fish that was there… darn fish…
We bought RotK today… huzzah! Yeah… I honestly didn’t expect that we would, because we usually wait for the EE, but I don’t like that because I think they have different extra stuff… so yeah…
Whatever I say, I jinx… so I don’t exactly tell anyone… oh, it’ll be okay, or oh, you’re gonna do good… because then they might not… yeah.. screwed up thing there, but its true.. the only time it doesn’t work like that, is if I pray about it… which is even more messed up… So, if you ever wonder why I’m always a negative person.. there is one reason for you to believe.. *smiles and nods*
Here is something I wrote up a long time ago, and am just now posting.. yup..
I saw a movie last night, err- the end of movie, and it truly was a mentally disturbing movie. Blech. I mean, it is a good movie, or what I saw of it, but it was just so mentally disturbing, I went right to sleep last night. I didn’t want to think about it. At all. Hannibal. I mean, the whole brain thing is just nasty. It’s really disturbing. Me mum was telling me not to look during it. But I still saw glimpses of it.
Signs is a movie which has its faulty points. Okay, you know when the alien is trapped in the closet and the dude goes to look in it, but he sees nothing? Yet the alien is there, just camouflaged? Well the dude would have seen a shadow, would he have not? Light would have still bounced off of the alien, thus, a shadow would have been shown! Unless this closet is lighted from all angles, which it was not, or this alien has some ability to defy the laws of nature and allow light to pass through him! Unless he is not really there or is in a different world at the moment! Tolkien didn’t even do that. When you were wearing the ring, if it was light out, it still casted a shadow! That part in the movie just bothered me. Does anyone else notice these types of things? Yet, Tolkien could have been able to do that, because the Ring was magic, but if you look later when the same alien is holding the boy, he’s blending in with his shirt, and still holding him… so that eliminates him being able to arrange his matter to where things pass through him… so it doesn’t work altogether..
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